You are my favourite type of stupid!
Intersectionality? You’re supporting this woman comparing sexism to slavery and you’re gonna fucking teach me about intersectionality? I know exactly how intersectioanlity works-how black men are three times as screwed in the eyes of the legal and education system as white women. I also know that comparing sexism to slavery is most certainly not intersectionality.
I think you’ve made a…a-what did you call it?-an intersectionality fail.
You are misguided, sir. Let me tell you about the feminists in India who stopped the government from making the definition of rape gender-neutral. You are a fool if you believe supporting feminism will help you as a rape victim.
This is a fallacious argument. Feminism does not deal with male rape,and it is feminism that ignores it and belittles it and it is feminism that markets that only women can get raped because they can’t get their damned statistics right.There is so much delusion here, it’s actually quite sad.
Rape is only seen as feminine because of feminist marketting.
And I actually disagree. The fact that no one believes a man could get raped is due to their expectation to be disposable-the message that they don’t matter, that they shouldn’t mind, that they should have liked it.
Of course, their disposable role is what later formed Patriarchy. But feminism in no way has a monopoly on equality.
We all hate Patriarchy, man. My decision to fight it by advocating against the disposable role of men is not any less honourable than a feminist’s decision to fight it by advocating against women’s submissive and hypersexualised roles.
I know what feminism is and isn’t about. I’m a feminist myself. I have a whole fucking tag for it on my blog. But the movement as a whole is not the correct way to reach equality.
‘As a man’?
I don’t fucking care who’s a man. I’m an Egaliterean-Feminist, and this woman sucks at her job. You as a man telling me that I’m a bad feminist for telling a woman that she’s a bad feminist is really hypocritical.
You know what else? I’m a woman! Surprise! You didn’t think a woman could possibly think logically, did you?!
So, if your point is that a man should never tell a woman if she’s a good feminist, you’d best shut your mouth and respect your own advice.
Oh, I love this part! The part where the other guy doesn’t have an argument so they resort to telling you you can’t get any.
Surprise again! I don’t know my own sexuality very well, but I can tell you I’ve never been in a position where I tried to initiate sex with a woman.
You know, for some reason I don’t think my ability to woo the fairer sex should have anything to do with how correct my argument is.
You know what else? This is the equivalent of people telling you that you’re only a feminist so women can like you. Isn’t that annoying, when people do that? I bet it is.So stop.
Also, can you imagine if I were a gay man, and you told me this?
Can you imagine if I were a transwoman, and you spent the whole conversation calling me a man, ‘as a man’ this, ‘male privilege’ that?
Oh, man. Guy, I say this because I care, you gotta think before you say shit like that. Assuming someone’s identity can really hurt sometimes, especially if you think of them as a cishet man by default.
You, as a feminist who focuses on intersectionality, should know, of course, why assuming that someone is a cishet male is really problematic, as they are seen as the default person, right?
‘u disagree wit fmnasm! u rapist’ On what basis? What the hell? Are you going to argue me like a reasonable person or throw every stereotype in the book at me?
Please point to the part where I tell this woman that it is her own fault that she go raped. Yeah, I’m waiting. Hell, point to the part where I even mention that she’s a rape victim.
Point to it! Quote it!
Oh wait! You made it up because you don’t even have a descent argument, but you needed to fill space somehow!
lol @ ‘men like you’
Maybe the fact that you’re automatically grouped with ‘men like me’ should be a reason for your concern.
I didn’t realise that, what did I do here, let’s see…disproving fallacious statistics that cause women unnecessary fear and stress and advocating for body-positivity for everyone…I didn’t know that made me a shiststain on humanity.
Here, I’ll do the opposite: I will lie to everyone, plant the seeds of anxiety in on sex through those lies, and then I will tell the other half the population they don’t deserve to feel good about themselves.
Then, perhaps I will fit your definition of a good person, O Great One.
Best part: You didn’t even refute my points! I give you statistic after statistic, source after source, and what do you do? You tell me I’m a rapist/shitstain and go on believing your lies, as if those two magic words suddenly make every lie in idreamedadance’s circle-jerk of bullshit true, as if your assumption that I’m a rapist is a good reason to completely ignore the truth in front of you. Yes, maybe if you chant ‘rapist’ hard enough, you’ll activate a magic spell that will make alllll those statistics go away, and you’ll be left in a world where 1 in 4 women really are
raped, so you can circlejerk to how good of a person you are for taking the victim’s side and being different from other men. It doesn’t seem like you care about women at all, then, but just about feeling like a good person, because if you did, you would be happy that it’s not true that 1/4 women are raped instead of tearing apart anyone who tries to explain that to you. And when you think about it, since you’re the one that would like 1/4 to be a reality, you’re the rapist.
Really, what a terrible thing to say.
Isn’t it of any relief to you at all that we know for a fact that it’s not true that 1 in 4 women are raped? Or is all you care about being a ~uniwue male feminist~ that really ~connects with women~ and ~isn’t like other (selfish, horrible) men~?
If you actually would rather it be that 1 in 4 women are raped so you can pat yourself on the back for advocating for them, well…
‘Whatever you are, you can fuck off. You are a shit stain on humanity. I am ashamed to be automatically grouped with men like you. ‘
First of all, I would like to apologize for assuming you were a straight cis man. I would also like to note that your hypocritical assumption that I am a straight cis man is incorrect, as I am openly bisexual and transgender.
Sara never actually compared sexism to slavery. She said men complaining about their insecurities and comparing them to the insecurities of women is like a plantation owner complaining about how hot it is when he steps outside to whip his slaves. It was a comment on how ridiculous the post is, not actually about racism or slavery at all. Maybe you should read more thoroughly.
Unless you yourself are a victim of rape, do not presume to tell me what will help me as a victim. Sucks that you disagree but as a man who has been raped I know for a fact why it’s hard for men to get help as victims, and that is entirely due to the patriarchy.
While you yourself might not have pointed to Sara being a rape survivor, others did, and my words were directed to them. As soon as she “attacked men”, she was insulted and threatened. Men (not an assumption, go look at their blogs) said they “couldn’t believe somebody so ugly got raped” and that “her rapist should have taken out her eyes”. This is a perfect example of sexism in action and it’s a perfect example of why I have a hard time taking men seriously. You (a woman) at least responded with an argument, however wrong I believe it is. Men responded by claiming they weren’t misogynists and calling her a bitch, a cunt, a man-hater, ugly, and insinuated that she deserved to be violated in extreme ways. Because she dared to disagree with them! She never said that men are worthless, she never actually insulted men. She said that actually, we don’t need to focus on men, because women still have more problems than men do. And she’s right.
As a man, I feel uncomfortable telling you that you are a Bad Feminist. I don’t believe this is my place and so will not comment on your personal views. However, as a man, I can safely say that Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs) are filled with more bullshit than a freshly fertilized field. While some of their points are genuine concerns (unnecessary circumcision, custody battles, the constant discrimination against men of color) they refuse to actually DO anything to fix these issues. Instead they attack feminists on the internet, using their male privilege to intimidate and frighten girls who try to speak their mind. Besides, feminism wants to deal with all of these problems as well, and they are actually doing something constructive about these issues.
No, I didn’t refute your statistics, and I don’t have the time to do so point by point right now (perhaps later). I will, however, point out that the statistic you’re quoting - 1 in 4 women are raped - is indeed unture and was never actually mentioned by either of us. The statistic says that 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted, which includes rape but is not necessarily rape. Sexual assault is that creepy person grabbing your ass at the bar or on the subway. Sexual assault is that drunk person kissing you after you tell them to stop. Sexual assault is when that person you took home shoves his hands down your pants but you kick them out before they can hurt you. THAT is what 1 in 4 means. Don’t confuse it with rape.
I believe you are very misguided and I hope you come around to a different view of feminism one day soon. In the meantime, please don’t harass other women, like Sara, even if they disagree with you. There’s enough men doing that already.