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You are my favourite type of stupid!

Intersectionality? You’re supporting this woman comparing sexism to slavery and you’re gonna fucking teach me about intersectionality? I know exactly how intersectioanlity works-how black men are three times as screwed in the eyes of the legal and education system as white women. I also know that comparing sexism to slavery is most certainly not intersectionality.

I think you’ve made a…a-what did you call it?-an intersectionality fail.

You are misguided, sir. Let me tell you about the feminists in India who stopped the government from making the definition of rape gender-neutral. You are a fool if you believe supporting feminism will help you as a rape victim.

This is a fallacious argument. Feminism does not deal with male rape,and it is feminism that ignores it and belittles it and it is feminism that markets that only women can get raped because they can’t get their damned statistics right.There is so much delusion here, it’s actually quite sad.

Rape is only seen as feminine because of feminist marketting.

And I actually disagree. The fact that no one believes a man could get raped is due to their expectation to be disposable-the message that they don’t matter, that they shouldn’t mind, that they should have liked it.

Of course, their disposable role is what later formed Patriarchy. But feminism in no way has a monopoly on equality.

We all hate Patriarchy, man. My decision to fight it by advocating against the disposable role of men is not any less honourable than a feminist’s decision to fight it by advocating against women’s submissive and hypersexualised roles.

I know what feminism is and isn’t about. I’m a feminist myself. I have a whole fucking tag for it on my blog. But the movement as a whole is not the correct way to reach equality.

‘As a man’?

I don’t fucking care who’s a man. I’m an Egaliterean-Feminist, and this woman sucks at her job. You as a man telling me that I’m a bad feminist for telling a woman that she’s a bad feminist is really hypocritical.

You know what else? I’m a woman! Surprise! You didn’t think a woman could possibly think logically, did you?!

So, if your point is that a man should never tell a woman if she’s a good feminist, you’d best shut your mouth and respect your own advice.

Oh, I love this part! The part where the other guy doesn’t have an argument so they resort to telling you you can’t get any.

Surprise again! I don’t know my own sexuality very well, but I can tell you I’ve never been in a position where I tried to initiate sex with a woman.

You know, for some reason  I don’t think my ability to woo the fairer sex should have anything to do with how correct my argument is.

You know what else? This is the equivalent of people telling you that you’re only a feminist so women can like you. Isn’t that annoying, when people do that? I bet it is.So stop.

Also, can you imagine if I were a gay man, and you told me this?

Can you imagine if I were a transwoman, and you spent the whole conversation calling me a man, ‘as a man’ this, ‘male privilege’ that?

Oh, man. Guy, I say this because I care, you gotta think before you say shit like that. Assuming someone’s identity can really hurt sometimes, especially if you think of them as a cishet man by default.

You, as a feminist who focuses on intersectionality, should know, of course, why assuming that someone is a cishet male is really problematic, as they are seen as the default person, right?

‘u disagree wit fmnasm! u rapist’ On what basis? What the hell? Are you going to argue me like a reasonable person or throw every stereotype in the book at me?

Please point to the part where I tell this woman that it is her own fault that she go raped. Yeah, I’m waiting. Hell, point to the part where I even mention that she’s a rape victim.

Point to it! Quote it!

Oh wait! You made it up because you don’t even have a descent argument, but you needed to fill space somehow!

lol @ ‘men like you’

Maybe the fact that you’re automatically grouped with ‘men like me’ should be a reason for your concern.

I didn’t realise that, what did I do here, let’s see…disproving fallacious statistics that cause women unnecessary fear and stress and advocating for body-positivity for everyone…I didn’t know that made me a shiststain on humanity.

Here, I’ll do the opposite: I will lie to everyone, plant the seeds of anxiety in on sex through those lies, and then I will tell the other half the population they don’t deserve to feel good about themselves.

Then, perhaps I will fit your definition of a good person, O Great One.

Best part: You didn’t even refute my points! I give you statistic after statistic, source after source, and what do you do? You tell me I’m a rapist/shitstain and go on believing your lies, as if those two magic words suddenly make every lie in idreamedadance’s circle-jerk of bullshit true, as if your assumption that I’m a rapist is a good reason to completely ignore the truth in front of you. Yes, maybe if you chant ‘rapist’ hard enough, you’ll activate a magic spell that will make alllll those statistics go away, and you’ll be left in a world where 1 in 4 women really are
raped, so you can circlejerk to how good of a person you are for taking the victim’s side and being different from other men. It doesn’t seem like you care about women at all, then, but just about feeling like a good person, because if you did, you would be happy that it’s not true that 1/4 women are raped instead of tearing apart anyone who tries to explain that to you. And when you think about it, since you’re the one that would like 1/4 to be a reality, you’re the rapist.

Really, what a terrible thing to say.

Isn’t it of any relief to you at all that we know for a fact that it’s not true that 1 in 4 women are raped? Or is all you care about being a ~uniwue male feminist~ that really ~connects with women~ and ~isn’t like other (selfish, horrible) men~?

If you actually would rather it be that 1 in 4 women are raped so you can pat yourself on the back for advocating for them, well…

‘Whatever you are, you can fuck off. You are a shit stain on humanity. I am ashamed to be automatically grouped with men like you. ‘

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First of all, I would like to apologize for assuming you were a straight cis man. I would also like to note that your hypocritical assumption that I am a straight cis man is incorrect, as I am openly bisexual and transgender.

Sara never actually compared sexism to slavery. She said men complaining about their insecurities and comparing them to the insecurities of women is like a plantation owner complaining about how hot it is when he steps outside to whip his slaves. It was a comment on how ridiculous the post is, not actually about racism or slavery at all. Maybe you should read more thoroughly. 

Unless you yourself are a victim of rape, do not presume to tell me what will help me as a victim. Sucks that you disagree but as a man who has been raped I know for a fact why it’s hard for men to get help as victims, and that is entirely due to the patriarchy.

While you yourself might not have pointed to Sara being a rape survivor, others did, and my words were directed to them. As soon as she “attacked men”, she was insulted and threatened. Men (not an assumption, go look at their blogs) said they “couldn’t believe somebody so ugly got raped” and that “her rapist should have taken out her eyes”. This is a perfect example of sexism in action and it’s a perfect example of why I have a hard time taking men seriously. You (a woman) at least responded with an argument, however wrong I believe it is. Men responded by claiming they weren’t misogynists and calling her a bitch, a cunt, a man-hater, ugly, and insinuated that she deserved to be violated in extreme ways. Because she dared to disagree with them! She never said that men are worthless, she never actually insulted men. She said that actually, we don’t need to focus on men, because women still have more problems than men do. And she’s right. 

As a man, I feel uncomfortable telling you that you are a Bad Feminist. I don’t believe this is my place and so will not comment on your personal views. However, as a man, I can safely say that Men’s Rights Activists (MRAs) are filled with more bullshit than a freshly fertilized field. While some of their points are genuine concerns (unnecessary circumcision, custody battles, the constant discrimination against men of color) they refuse to actually DO anything to fix these issues. Instead they attack feminists on the internet, using their male privilege to intimidate and frighten girls who try to speak their mind. Besides, feminism wants to deal with all of these problems as well, and they are actually doing something constructive about these issues.

No, I didn’t refute your statistics, and I don’t have the time to do so point by point right now (perhaps later). I will, however, point out that the statistic you’re quoting - 1 in 4 women are raped - is indeed unture and was never actually mentioned by either of us. The statistic says that 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted, which includes rape but is not necessarily rape. Sexual assault is that creepy person grabbing your ass at the bar or on the subway. Sexual assault is that drunk person kissing you after you tell them to stop. Sexual assault is when that person you took home shoves his hands down your pants but you kick them out before they can hurt you. THAT is what 1 in 4 means. Don’t confuse it with rape. 

I believe you are very misguided and I hope you come around to a different view of feminism one day soon. In the meantime, please don’t harass other women, like Sara, even if they disagree with you. There’s enough men doing that already.

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oh no so sad teh boyz r sad boyz git sad 2 but 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted so cry me a fucking river you dumbass misogynistic assholes

so, just because this addresses that men can be insecure about themselves, it means that they’re misogynists? 

so just because i like the color blue, that means i hate red with a burning passion?

fuck, i just cant.

since you are having trouble understanding, i will explain to you. this post is like a plantation owner complaining about how hot it is in the field while he whips his slaves. 

this post is ABOUT being upset that only women’s insecurities are acknowledged. well, guess what? women are insecure because they’re not allowed to dress nicely or else they’re sluts who deserve and were “asking” to be raped and they’re not allowed to dress homely because then they’re ugly and ignored and denied jobs.

men who are insecure don’t face ANY of that. men who are insecure and attempt to take ANY of the attention away from women who are insecure because 1 in 4 of them are sexually abused or from women who are insecure because they are shamed for having professional desires (dyke) or maternal desires (make me a sandwich, bitch) or from women who are insecure because society expects them to fit the most constrictive form of beauty possible and when they do they are assumed to be stupid, worthless, and useful for nothing other than looking at. men who try and trivialize the insecurities of women and assume that the insecurities of men are anywhere near as founded or important are misogynists. 

oh really? i thought this post was about how insecurity effects men and women, oh wait, it is! listen, i understand that you, being feminist, wont allow men to vent about how they can be insecure about themselves, because apparantly if men discuss their problems together, their “oppressing women”, but i want you to guess why men are insecure.

take a guess.

i’ll give you a minute.

…

got it yet?

Women. i can speak from experience that women are the main thing that made me feel insecure about my own self when i was younger(before you tell me i had no reason to be insecure, or blame it on patriarchy, i had a reason to be insecure, i was only made fun of by women in middle school, be it other girls or grown women, for being the only kid with a white mother in a black school, now mind you, these where only FEMALES trying to make me feel like shit for being mixed race), and seeing that insecurity can only be acceptable if it happens the other way around is fucking crazy.

now the subject of how women dress: i personally dont care how women dress, honestly, i think everyone should wear whatever they want, and more so if its practical. and from what ive seen, women seem to shame other women or what they wear. yeah, if there is some guy wanting you to wear something you dont want, then dont wear it and call him an asshole, but dont go assuming every man is like that. and if women are insecure, then its alright to vent about it, same with men, there are equal amounts of insecurity on both sides.

“men who try and trivialize the insecurities of women and assume that the insecurities of men are anywhere near as founded or important are misogynists.”

we try to trivialize your insecurities?

im sorry, i just cant.

SO WHAT

WHO GIVES A FUCK IF YOU WERE INSECURE IN SCHOOL

women make men insecure. men make women raped.

your “insecurity” is nothing compared to ours. when you compare them, you trivialize the insecurities of women which are actually based on real life things.

do you think reverse racism is a real thing, too? because your being a man complaining about being objectified and made fun of for your appearance is the exact same thing as a white person saying that “cracker” is just as racist as the n word. but there’s a huge difference because the n word has actually caused immeasurable harm to people of color around the world and white people in general deserve to be called all sorts of names for perpetuating racism just as men in general deserve to be called all sorts of names for perpetuating patriarchy.

“your “insecurity” is nothing compared to ours.”

what. just what. are you fucking serious? we get hurt by the same thing, and my pain is invalid because of my penis? jesus christ you dumb cunt.

“do you think reverse racism is a real thing, too?”

YES, a group of black people harassing a white person is just as bad as a group of white people harassing a black person, infact anyone harassing anyone is bad.

“women make men insecure. men make women raped.”

men rape, and kill and ruin lives with sexual assault. women rape, kill, ruin lives with false rape claims, use alimony to their advantage, force men to suicide, and much more.

oh, and this whole Patriarchy thing, lets assume it’s real, how can you change it by being a misandrist? because if it was real, you (a misandrist) would be fuckin dead.

yeah, i’m fucking serious. no, you don’t get hurt with the same thing. is that a fucking joke? 1 in 4 (25%) women are raped. 1 in 3 (33.3%) Native American women are raped. lgbt women are fifteen times more likely to be raped than that. 3% of men are raped.

32,000 women are impregnated as a result of rape in the u.s. every year. guess how many cismen are? zero.

you want to talk about alimony? in 31 states, rapists can sue for custody and/or visitation rights to the child resulting from the rape.

ARE YOU HONESTLY FUCKING SERIOUS WITH THE WOMEN RUIN LIVES BY FALSELY ACCUSING MEN OF RAPE

do you think they make it up off the top of their fucking heads? you really should check out this article: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/01/08/the_enliven_project_s_false_rape_accusations_infographic_great_intentions.html

also, do you remember the steubenville rapists? CAUSE THEY WERE SENTENCED TO A YEAR IN JAIL EACH. rapists ruin lives. not women claiming to be raped. it’s even more ridiculous that you think that women falsely claiming to be raped is a common thing because rape victims are forced to pay up to $1,200 for THEIR OWN RAPE KITS. that’s a $1,200 lie. http://www.alternet.org/story/141721/rape_victims_charged_up_to_$1,200_for_rape_kits

also, it’s incredibly ridiculous to claim that you’re not a misogynist and then call a person a cunt, an extremely offensive and derogatory term based on the weakness of women. like…..hello.

no, patriarchy wouldn’t necessarily make me dead in the u.s. (only any middle eastern country), just raped. which i have been. twice. i am 1 in 4, and you are a misogynist.

WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING THIS ABOUT RAPE NO ONE EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT RAPE ‘INSECURITY’ MEANS LOW SELF-CONFIDENCE

I don’t understand how you keep comparing Patriarchy to slavery and racism and then still think of yourself as a good feminist, or even a good person.

I don’t know how many fucking times I’ve had to make this PSA for some white feminist: Check your privilege, because I assure you, the racism this society is built on is more real, more threatening, and worst of all, more silent than any sexism we face.

Rape has nothing to do with this. The point is both sexes are insecure and that’s all this post is trying to say. Why you need to come in here wailing about how we’re trivialising rape/your problems is beyond me, and, true to your blog name, pretty darn hypocritical.

But fine. You wanna talk rape? Let’s talk rape.

Here’s a link to the Department of Justice’s statistics on rape, which you will stop reading right after it repeats your statistics, so also here is a guide to how to make the most of the information found within it.

Report: [http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf]

Men make women raped? 40% of rapists are women, according to the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. Hm. Looks like someone can’t do research outside of funded, feminist-based organisations.

Easy-to-read guide (why the report says 1/71 men are raped when obviously it says so right in the table that an equal amount of men will be made to penetrate as women are penetrated) :

http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/41787262227/plhanson-siryouarebeingmocked-cdc-national

Why the lifetime statistics are bullshit: [http://www.genderratic.com/p/836/manufacturing-female-victimhood-and-marginalizing-vulnerable-men/]

which you won’t read because it sounds so absurd. That’s okay. It sounded too absurd for me to read, too, and I’m an MRA. Until you get over the title and you read the body. Then, it makes sense.

[also mentions why your RAINN stats are void]

More about why 1/4 is bullshit: 

[http://permutationofninjas.tumblr.com/post/21544022429/1-in-12-not-quite]

Read it, and be blown away at how bad some organisations are at checking where they got their fucking statistics from to make sure there are no gaping logical fallacies.

Wow, here’s a website saying htat 1 in 6 men are raped.

[http://1in6.org/the-1-in-6-statistic/]

The only valid point that you could have made is that it seems 90% of those with an eating disorder are females. But, of course, you’re not interested in actually making sure we do the best we can regarding body -positivity messages.No, the fact that you made this about rape instead shows that you only care about demonising men and tearing down any kind of vent of their emotion to fuel your delusional and very problematic comparisons of sexism to slavery and racism.

Intersectionality fail. Privilege isn’t a dichotomy, dumbass. Racism and sexism are BOTH very bad things that play off of each other. That’s why black women make 58 cents for every dollar a white man makes. (Also, she’s Hispanic, so she’s not the one who needs to check her privilege.)

I am a man who has been raped and it is partly for that reason that I’m a feminist. It’s considered shameful for men to be raped because that makes them “like a woman” and being like a woman is Shameful and Wrong and Very Bad. Feminism isn’t about tearing men down! It’s about building women up. Honestly, you as a man telling a woman that she’s a bad feminist or that feminism itself is bad is all kinds of fucked up. 

Maybe you’re pissed because women won’t sleep with you (hint - treat them like people instead of your fleshlights). Maybe you get your kicks by insulting strangers. Maybe you’re actually a rapist - people who blame the victim for sexual harassment are more likely to commit the same acts themselves. http://www.livescience.com/13654-victim-blaming-sexual-harassment.html 

Whatever you are, you can fuck off. You are a shit stain on humanity. I am ashamed to be automatically grouped with men like you. 

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